tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post6891927157005014929..comments2024-03-08T08:05:41.370-05:00Comments on Beis Hamikdash Topics: Tour of the Temple: Class 5Yoav Elanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03859719994853628817noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post-46743649013107345272023-07-09T05:30:25.833-04:002023-07-09T05:30:25.833-04:00Hi Rav Elan, please see sefer Tavnis Heichal (whic...Hi Rav Elan, please see sefer Tavnis Heichal (which is a sefer on the 1st BHM"K and Ezras Cohanim often quotes it) ספר ב׳ פרק ו׳ סימנים לו׳ ולז׳ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post-75811275651519075722022-07-26T11:12:00.232-04:002022-07-26T11:12:00.232-04:00Sounds reasonable.Sounds reasonable.Yoav Elanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03859719994853628817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post-46251037168802990642022-07-26T10:34:23.092-04:002022-07-26T10:34:23.092-04:00Thanks. I have looked into that and it says that l...Thanks. I have looked into that and it says that like you stated the text, "..passage into the court of the women". If access to the balconies on Sukkos for Simchas Beis Hashoeva (only time required) was through these two gates to the North and South of the Ezras Noshim, then it would have to be entered by the women on the Cheil side and once in the gate, to ascend via a staircase built into the wall as you stated your guess initially. I don't believe access would be via inside the Ezras Noshin given how bustling and busy it would have been and would have defied the reason for the balconies by having women and men in 135 x 135 amos space risking intermingling. That is why I am under the impression that it is either access from the north and south from the cheil side and climbing up the 60 odd stairs to get to the openings for the balconies OR a set of stairs outside along the face of the wall south and north of Ezras Noshim till they reached the gates at approximately 35 amos high.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post-37147335056266266682022-07-25T17:39:48.131-04:002022-07-25T17:39:48.131-04:00The source I was thinking of is Wars V 5:2 where i...The source I was thinking of is <i>Wars</i> V 5:2 where it says: There was also on the other sides one southern and one northern gate, through which was a passage into the court of the women.Yoav Elanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03859719994853628817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post-39430710870682723522022-07-25T11:06:47.226-04:002022-07-25T11:06:47.226-04:00In Antiquities 15:5 where Josephus states "N...In Antiquities 15:5 where Josephus states "Now this inner enclosure had on its southern and northern quarters three gates [equally] distant one from another; but on the east quarter , towards the sun-rising, there was one large gate.." I believe Josephus Is referring to the gates to the Azara as Mishna Middos teaches us and not stating that they were at the Ezras Noshim. It is puzzling how we cannot find any source for this. I thank you for your help and if I do manage to find it, I will bli nedre let you know. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post-65305819094800920832022-07-25T10:07:05.033-04:002022-07-25T10:07:05.033-04:00The only thing I can think of is that Josephus wri...The only thing I can think of is that Josephus writes that Herod had gateways into the Ezras Nashim in the north and south. Perhaps these existed in the original Second Mikdash as well?Yoav Elanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03859719994853628817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post-50872732142176900352022-07-23T14:48:46.874-04:002022-07-23T14:48:46.874-04:00I have seen a diagram in the Oz VeHadar Mesivta ed...I have seen a diagram in the Oz VeHadar Mesivta edition where in both Yoma and Middos it shows steps coming from the cheil to a gateway on the North and South to the height of the balconies inside. They do not however state whos shitas the diagrams and based on. I have contacted them to indicate as to whos views the diagram is representing but alas have not heard back as yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post-88731896364536841162022-07-17T16:24:14.506-04:002022-07-17T16:24:14.506-04:00That is a good question. I, too, could not find a ...That is a good question. I, too, could not find a source to answer this. My theory is that there were steps within the thickness of the wall, accessed from within the Ezras Nashim, that allowed the women to reach the balconies. There were other places in the Beis Hamikdash where this was used, so perhaps they did the same in the Ezras Nashim.Yoav Elanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03859719994853628817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-520998016026184160.post-85086212597796540802022-07-17T03:37:11.658-04:002022-07-17T03:37:11.658-04:00Thank you for clarifying the columns. How did the ...Thank you for clarifying the columns. How did the women gain access to the Balconies? I cant find any source anywhere! Was it from steps inside the Ezras Nosshim, in the 5 Ama wall or from the Cheil? If so who's shitas is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com